Writing to Publish

W2P GUEST SPEAKERS

Beverly Hale

Bev is a published author and an editor, plus she's worked in the comics and role-playing game fields.

10/29/07 6:59:37 PM Opening "Chat Log 10-29-07" Dhewco: Hiya
BeverlyHale2002: Shall we wait a few more moments before we start to see if anyone else is coming to join us?
PCarlson: Folks are trickling in. Hardly any of The Usual Suspects are here yet
Dhewco: They do know we're here and not the other room, don't they?
BeverlyHale2002: I'll bet they're finishing up watching Heroes. I'm taping so that I could be on time.
BeverlyHale2002: Gosh, I hope so. I can't get into the other room.
Dhewco: I watch it the next day online, that and Journeyman
BeverlyHale2002: I'm taping journeyman as well. Those and Pushing Daisies are about my favorite ones this year---oh and Reaper
PCarlson: will do some reminding
Dhewco: I try not to get too attached early in the season. It might jinx the show. LOL
BeverlyHale2002: hi Rose
Rose1533: Hi, all
BeverlyHale2002: Hi to everyone.
Dhewco: For example, I loved that show Day Break a few years back. I thought it was fascinating. Got attached during the first couple of shows..series got canceled, didn't even make it to ten
BeverlyHale2002: I know what you mean. Usually if I like it, it's gonna die.
Rose1533: I've gotten hooked on a couple of shows that didn't last.
Rose1533: The Handler. A number of the actors/actresses on that have gone on to strong shows. And Studio 60.
PCarlson: Tinny and Linda could not make it this evening
BeverlyHale2002: I haven't seen that one. Did watch studio 60. Wish I could get Thornwood.
PCarlson: just heard today about a new science fiction cable network. They even featured my favorite, Analog magazine!
Robert D Brown: Hi Bev, hi guys.
Dhewco: I liked that show Smith last year...with Ray Liotta, about thieves.
BeverlyHale2002: So, let me know when we should start. I can blather for hours about almost nothing.
Dhewco: Threshold was a great sci-fi show that didn't make a whole season
Rose1533: Handler had both Anna Belknap and Hill Harper on it. Both are now on CSI NY.
PCarlson: and they are doing a movie version of Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere. (too bad I don't have cable)
BeverlyHale2002: True. I got hooked on Threshold late, but it was great. I love Neverwhere. Have a copy of the British version --
Dhewco: Being a mainly sci-fi/fantasy writer, I'm usually disappointed about network sci-fi...it never lasts.
BeverlyHale2002: Too true. Basically, most of the media don't get what it is that we actually like about SF/F
Rose1533: Oh, also one season shows--Commander in Chief and NIH.
Fjm3eyes: we need another sci/fi network?
BeverlyHale2002: They mistake the sfx for story.
PCarlson: the original one is a mess. Not hardly SF at all
Dhewco: what was the last real sci-fi network show to last longer than one or one point five seasons?
Rose1533: Hi, Becca
PCarlson: shark monster movie of the week?
ScooterOKC1: But they do show wrestling
Fjm3eyes: and this one's not going to be a mess?
BeverlyHale2002: Too true, the minute they started wrestling, they kinda lost me. Like Dr. Who, but most of the rest can go.
Robert D Brown: great.
Dhewco: by network show, I mean NBC and that lot
PCarlson: well I think we can get started. our guest this evening is Beverly Hale
BeverlyHale2002: Hi y'all.
PCarlson: she has authored numerous F&SF stories and novels
PCarlson: and worked at the famous Jackson Games company
PCarlson: and so much else, I told her to be ready for a 17 hour long session
BeverlyHale2002: also wrote gaming, comics, kid's lit, and stuff like an Indian food Cookbook.
PCarlson: and she's modest, too!
BeverlyHale2002: I can keep up for a long time. You guys will get tired before I do...grin
PCarlson: take it away Bev!
BeverlyHale2002: OK, I thought I'd talk about how writing changes depending on the product you are producing.
BeverlyHale2002: For my stuff, you can check the web at bevhale.com - end of commercial for me.
BeverlyHale2002: Anyway, since I'm kind of all over the map in writing, I thought maybe you might have questions about the different stuff.
Fjm3eyes: I have a question
Mallie1025: What types of writing do you do?
BeverlyHale2002: gaming, comics, kid's book, novel, short story, flash fiction, novella, - I've done SF/F/H
BeverlyHale2002: It makes it hard to build a brand name when your stuff is so scattered.
ScooterOKC1: What is flash fiction?
Rose1533: Shorter than short, I think.
Fjm3eyes: I don't write sci/fi, at least I don't think I do. Can you define sci/fi for me?
BeverlyHale2002: Flash fiction is a story under 1000 words. Some are as few as 10- I believe some call those drabbles. I can write 1000, but 10 is beyond me
PCarlson: drabbles are 100 word stories, plus there is the (obvious) 55 Fiction
BeverlyHale2002: SF is hard to define, basically I think the field is a huge umbrella, lots of everything can be considered SF.
BeverlyHale2002: 3eyes, what do you think you write?
Fjm3eyes: hard to define? I'd go along with that?
Mallie1025: Bev, that's a really cool site!
BeverlyHale2002: SF usually is based on some scientific basis (hard or soft science) and that lies at the bottom of the story. No magic in SF
BeverlyHale2002: Thanks, I have a great web guru who is updating it for me.
Rose1533: I need a web guru. I keep trying to do things on my site and then it doesn't show up.
Fjm3eyes: well, I've said I write horror, because I don't know what else to call it. I wish to get beyond that though
BeverlyHale2002: Horror is usually about causing an emotion of fear or a frisson of terror up your back. I've been writing some of that lately.
Mallie1025: I've done a lot of 200 and 100 worders, but never knew where to submit
BeverlyHale2002: My web guru is great and she has a button on my site that you can get to her with.
Rose1533: How much does she cost?
BeverlyHale2002: Flash is fun. Harder than hell, but fun. Do you know about Ralan.com?
Mallie1025: Frank, lol--you are a good writer in any genre you try
Fjm3eyes: someone said that horror is an emotion
Fjm3eyes: thanks Mallie
Mallie1025: I love flash--comes from doing 1000 journalism essays. Just can't promote them well
BeverlyHale2002: Mouse charges depending on the difficulty of the problem, but she was about 1/3 of anyone else I talked to.
BeverlyHale2002: Doing flash is good training- it allows you to get really really tight on your writing instead of Moby Dick type saggy.
Rose1533: I may talk to her. This freeweb site is a pain and a half!!!!
BeverlyHale2002: I know of several places that take flash, found them on Ralan.com
Mallie1025: oops 1000 word essays--although when that short they tend to pile up
Rose1533: Oh! You WOULD mention that! I slogged through that book recently! Worth it, but geez!!!!
SaWeb22: Rose check out my freewebs site. Rose, I helped Micki with her freewebs site BeverlyHale2002: True, but they are a godsend for editors who need something short to stick in between the long ones.
BeverlyHale2002: Anyone into the other end- novella, novelette?
Rose1533: That's the same site I use, Saul, and it's given me nothing but trouble.
BeverlyHale2002: When I worked with CJ Cherryh, she had Lynn Abbey working there as well. Lynn swore she couldn't burp in less than 6000 words
Robert D Brown: my natural length has been 20K so far
BeverlyHale2002: Wow, that is hard to place.
Mallie1025: Rose, even though we have the free webs now -- we will need the professional ones soon
BeverlyHale2002: Usually it is so much easier to place something that is . 5000 words or less.
SaWeb22: I had no problems
Robert D Brown: it's pretty hard for me.
BeverlyHale2002: I got my website when I started having enough to sell that it was worth it.
Robert D Brown: of course, writing is bleeding anyway.
Mallie1025: Yes and he did a great job as I am technically deficient
Rose1533: LOL! Yes, it is.
BeverlyHale2002: If you are working at 20,000 are you sure you aren't just starting a novel?
Robert D Brown: not sure, Bev.
BeverlyHale2002: Do you think you need to go longer or shorter?
Rose1533: I have a short that is 6k.
Robert D Brown: well if I'm ever to break into novels, I gotta go the distance
Mallie1025: Bev where do you sub? I have great luck with newspapers but not mags so much
BeverlyHale2002: I had one story that started out at 7000 and we hacked it down to 3000. It was brutal.
Rose1533: But I have a fantasy novel about to come out early in 2008. 130k.
BeverlyHale2002: I submit to mags, anthologies and I do a lot of work with Yard Dog Press. They have many anthologies and are open to anyone who wants to try for it.
Mallie1025: Rob it you can do long--go for it--pays better -- well not so far but I hear that. lol
BeverlyHale2002: 130K is big -- My first novel was 150K. I tried to cut it down, the editor tried to cut it down. It came out 150K. That was the length
Rose1533: What genres do they handle at Yard Dog?
Mallie1025: Bev do you do mostly sci-fi?
BeverlyHale2002: SF/F and some dark fantasy mostly. They like humorous fantasy and SF as well.
BeverlyHale2002: I have a real need for SF/F/H. They were my true love in reading.
Rose1533: It IS an Epic Fantasy. And it doesn't end with the first book. Book Two is still being written and a sequel is planned.
Mallie1025: Thanks, I do horror and paranormal shorts but no sci-fi or fantasy
PHeeren: Yard Dog does not publish children's books, correct?
BeverlyHale2002: I've written some paranormal/urban fantasy as well
Robert D Brown: Stories that won't make your parents hurl
BeverlyHale2002: I have a kid's book with Yard Dog, and my novel is more YA
BeverlyHale2002: They like kids and want to make new readers.
BeverlyHale2002: Anyone wanting to do comics? Or gaming?
Robert D Brown: yes, toyed with the idea
Mallie1025: Second time I heard "urban fantasy." What is that?"
BeverlyHale2002: Please note that gaming doesn't pay well unless you are the owner of the gaming system
BeverlyHale2002: Urban fantasy is set in city and is usually set in current times, and magic bleeds into our world or our people get drawn into fantasy.
Mallie1025: Ahh, like Nora Robert's vampire series?
Mallie1025: Is time travel needed for this?
BeverlyHale2002: I love urban fantasy- like Charles deLint, especially. L'engle's YA books are sometimes urban fantasy. Yep, Nora Roberts vampires are, too.
PCarlson: One sub-subgenre of that, I call Nerd Outfoxes Supernatural
Fjm3eyes: Beverly, what do you feel about surreal stuff?
PCarlson: Micki, they are normally set in the present day
BeverlyHale2002: time travel is usually under paranormal. depends on where you start and where you end up.
BeverlyHale2002: what do you define as surreal? Do you mean the stuff that has no plot and is in present tense 2nd person with just "atmosphere?" Because if you do, then no.
SaWeb22: Time travel can also be a subgenre of romance
Rose1533: Most of you know RBOZO (Char). Hers is an Urban Fantasy.
Mallie1025: Nora Robert's vampire/wizard and witch was set in urban but traveled back in time, too
Fjm3eyes: surreal, I believe, deals a lot with symbolism
BeverlyHale2002: yep, much of paranormal can be in romance, or it can be fantasy set in present day.
Fjm3eyes: symbolism of a sort
Mallie1025: Really, Rose? I am just getting ready to buy her book next
BeverlyHale2002: with a strong or less strong personal relationship or no relationship
Rose1533: I think of it as that.
Rose1533: I'll be getting my copy this weekend in Austin. I'm rooming with her.
Rose1533: It's set in New Orleans in current times. The main characters are a necromancer, a firestarter and a shapeshifter.
BeverlyHale2002: My 2nd book (in first draft) is a paranormal set in OKC - land of no magic. It is humorous and has elves, and garden gnomes, and bowling.
Mallie1025: Bev--good combination--can't miss with that!
BeverlyHale2002: There is a great deal of urban fantasy going on in romance and in YA lit. It's very exciting. Some is dark, some is funny, some is sexy as all get out.
BeverlyHale2002: Back to 3eyes question- I think there is some symbolism in every work of fiction. We can't help it. we think in symbols.
Mallie1025: Yes, my teen grandkids and even young adults love fantasy
BeverlyHale2002: If you check out my blog on live journal (bevhale is the label), I have lists of good urban fantasy/paranormals, and good YA books from a con I did last year.
Fjm3eyes: Beverly, ever seen the movie Brazil?
BeverlyHale2002: I'm working on a YA horror and a YA SF simultaneously now. - short attention span sometimes-
Mallie1025: con as in conference?
BeverlyHale2002: Yep, con as in science fiction conferences
BeverlyHale2002: yes, I saw Brazil. It's strange but wonderful.
PCarlson: Mercedes Lackey's novel "Jinx High" has a lot of sorcery in present-day Tulsa Oklahoma.
Fjm3eyes: I wonder if Brazil might be called surreal.........
BeverlyHale2002: I like surrealism when it's done well. Hate it when it isn't. It's one of those things that doesn't have a middle ground for me
Fjm3eyes: at least in parts?
BeverlyHale2002: Yes, Mercedes Lackey has one, and now I found Scott Westerfield has the MIdnighters set in OK, and PC Cast has just added one as well. Dang, I gotta write faster before they fill up OK with fantasy novels....
BeverlyHale2002: Anyone into comics? Or wanted to write comics?
Rose1533: 'fraid not. Not here, anyway.
Robert D Brown: ages ago
Rose1533: Yeah. Ages ago. I was using my fingerprints as characters--giving them faces, arms and legs, etc.
BeverlyHale2002: Actually, with all the different types of comics now (not just superhero), writing it is much like writing a movie without having to worry about the sfx budget.
Rose1533: Thanks! It was fun. But it didn't last long.
BeverlyHale2002: I like the fingerprint characters- that sounds like fun.
BeverlyHale2002: So, is there anything I can help with? Any questions?
Robert D Brown: I did a stick-figure comic that PL Montgomery published in her fanzine. ;D
BeverlyHale2002: Still sounded like fun. I may have to try it out. Fingers as characters. cool.
BeverlyHale2002: I like comics, we read them as well as write them, but I like short story and novel length best.
Rose1533: If you get it published, please give me passing credit, anyway!
BeverlyHale2002: Of course.
Rose1533: Carol Montague. and no, my middle name isn't Rose. Rose was my name out at a Renaissance Festival I was a character in.
BeverlyHale2002: I've done editing for small press and copyediting for several houses, written and reviewed contracts, done some marketing plans, etc., anything here that someone wants to know about.
BeverlyHale2002: Ok, Carol, I'll credit you if I do any fingerprint characters.
Rose1533: LOL!
ScooterOKC1: Is there any real difference between horror and dark fantasy, or is dark fantasy just a tamer substitute for people who don't want to call their work horror?
BeverlyHale2002: I've worked with/for several SF/F writers.
Fjm3eyes: Montague, huh, Carol? Any relation to M. L. (Montaghue Rhodes) James?
Rose1533: Not that I know of. No relation to Romeo, either, mores the pity!
Fjm3eyes: weeel..........okay
BeverlyHale2002: Actually you are pretty correct- dark fantasy is usually a bit tamer and more into magic. Horror can be harsh as hell and not have a bit of magic in it.
BeverlyHale2002: Depends on whether the bogeyman is supernatural, magic or just nuts.
Rose1533: And so much of it seems predictable, too. How to you not expect something bad is going to happen when you go down into the basement?
BeverlyHale2002: Also, sometimes renaming an area (like horror) can breathe new life into the genre.
Rose1533: I don't do horror.
BeverlyHale2002: You're right Rose. But some folks can scare the willies out of you by not playing to your expectations. I think that is what is going to make most literature (esp. in the SF/F fields) exciting is turning the genre on it's head.
Mallie1025: I am a Scorpio--I do best with opposites--dark horror and humor
BeverlyHale2002: Take what everyone has always done and turn it upside down.
Rose1533: Read some of Emily's RL Stine books (Goosebumps) but didn't like them. Do grown up horror books leave the ending hanging the way Stine frequently does?
BeverlyHale2002: And Mallie, using the two together horror and humor can be absolutely wonderful. It means you are working both dark and light. Using them to underscore each other.
Mallie1025: not vampire horror--more psychological horror
Rose1533: Emily is my daughter, btw
PCarlson: Stine's is a series though, yes?
Rose1533: Sort of. They don't all connect to each other. Some of his stories have sequels, but not many.
BeverlyHale2002: Not all of them. Some of the horror is defeated and good guys win. sometimes monster wins and eats everyone.
Mallie1025: Bev, yes I do that sometimes it works
Mallie1025: Fiction is difficult for me, as I write slice of life, but I'm getting there
Rose1533: Stine's The Haunted Lighthouse--a movie in 4-D and Sea World, has both. And it ends happily, too. Special effect besides the 3-D.
Mallie1025: Bev what is easier for you to market--books or shorts?
BeverlyHale2002: I just did a short short 2000 worder where I use scary and funny together. Had a great time of it.
BeverlyHale2002: books take longer to sell- bigger investment on part of the publisher and many are getting to where they simply won't look at something without an agent.
Mallie1025: Bev, my first fiction about horror houseplants was like that-- a spoof
BeverlyHale2002: Cool, sounds fun. did you send it out?
Mallie1025: Actually sold it to a newspaper--now go figure?
PCarlson: Bev, do you have an agent?
BeverlyHale2002: Not yet, haven't needed one until now.
PHeeren: I never do science fiction--not my cup of tea
Mallie1025: Most money I ever made on one story--100 dollars. framed the check. lol
BeverlyHale2002: That's why I'm pulling several books together before I approach one.
Fjm3eyes: what kind of paper, Mallie? Gardening News?
PHeeren: i write children's books, plays, poetry and essays
BeverlyHale2002: Most money I've made on a project, about 1500.00- it was for writing a book of love poetry - ghostwriting. And I'll never ever tell anyone the name it's under.
Mallie1025: Haha Frank--no it was a woman's newspaper
PHeeren: and short fiction for adults and children
BeverlyHale2002: Gloopy enough to gag a goat.
LGVernon: Most money I ever made on a story was 3400 bucks.
Mallie1025: Bev nice--seems like ghostwriting pays better than our mere book %'s
BeverlyHale2002: On short stories, best is about 25 cents a word.
Robert D Brown: whoa
Mallie1025: Whoa LG who bought it?
BeverlyHale2002: Dark Horse comics.
BeverlyHale2002: yep, it pays okay, but I would rather see my own name on a book. and Lgvernon what did you make 3400 on?
LGVernon: This was for Simon and Schuster. I made that much because they paid more for my photos than they did for my text
BeverlyHale2002: Wow, maybe we all need to get a camera instead of a keyboard.
Mallie1025: shorts in a newspaper still 1.25 per column inch--about 40 bucks for 800-1000 words
BeverlyHale2002: Got about 2000 on a gaming gig, but it was a horrid amount of work.
PCarlson: I could use some ghostwriting gigs. not sure how I'd go about finding any
LGVernon: I also used the same research to double-dip with another mag and made another 1800 bucks. So, 4200 bucks for an afternoon's work.
BeverlyHale2002: Mallie, sounds like non fiction pays better.
Mallie1025: I think I'll put my new camera to work!!
BeverlyHale2002: Wow Lgvernon, you are my hero!!!
SaWeb22: I wrote over 450 items for my community newspapers from June 1995 - June 2006, approx. 1,000 words GREAT WRITING EXPERIENCE. helped me develop my writing skills. made 00 money
Mallie1025: That is non-fiction--in papers
BeverlyHale2002: no, actually ghostwriting is soooo soul sucking I'll never do it again.
LGVernon: I used to ghost write speeches. Not fun.
BeverlyHale2002: Maybe I should look into nonfiction - grin- nope, I love fiction too much.
Rose1533: I've had a number of my photos published in pictorial directories and Elementary School yearbooks.
Mallie1025: I like editing--albeit lousy at doing my own--might like ghosting
BeverlyHale2002: Any writing you do is good experience. I once wrote a training manual for city of Ft Worth in 2.5 weeks. argggh. 18 hour days.
Rose1533: Oh yeah. College yearbook, too, when I was a student there. Got $120 honorarium for being the photo editor.
LGVernon: I'll never go back to non fiction---well---never say never. If the wolf is at the door I'll go back to non fiction.
BeverlyHale2002: Almost anyone I've talked to hated ghostwriting more than anything in the world.
Mallie1025: I like slice of life non-fiction and if I had more imagination I might be better at fiction
BeverlyHale2002: Any time you do something creative and get paid for it, you are a professional.
LGVernon: I wrote the state of California's Field Training Officers' Manual for Peace Officer's Standards and Training (POST). It was great experience. I also used to write grants---also great experience.
Mallie1025: Bev--I'm taking your word on that. lol
Robert D Brown: as the tax man will attest
BeverlyHale2002: Wow, Lgvernon, you really are my hero.
SaWeb22: Honorariums is a sneaky way for some to be cheap as to what they pay
Rose1533: I wrote a short non-fic about my daughter's crossed-eyes and our struggles to get that fixed.
BeverlyHale2002: yep, honorariums usually mean, I can buy a hamburger and a diet coke for far too much work.
Mallie1025: Rose that was a nice bit of money for one sub
Fjm3eyes: sounds good, LG? How was the characterization in that? LOL
BeverlyHale2002: If you can find a good market for your nonfiction, go for it. There are some great sites.
SaWeb22: nite all
BeverlyHale2002: bye saweb
Mallie1025: Or they give you a copy and some don't even do that--make you buy it
Rose1533: I was the photo editor for the 1986 Horned Frog--Texas Christian University's year book.
LGVernon: Gotta jet. Night all.
BeverlyHale2002: Yep, I've been there as well. Bye Lgvernon
Rose1533: Yearbook fell out of favor and hadn't been around for a decade or more. We brought it back.
Mallie1025: Bev, this has been great fun--hope you come back for another visit
BeverlyHale2002: So basically, writing is writing. Whether you do it for money or not. I just like to get paid for it--keeps me from having to go work for someone else.
BeverlyHale2002: Hope you invite me back.
Mallie1025: Oh we will!!
Mallie1025: I must run--work tomorrow
Rose1533: I wouldn't mind trying to get my piece Emily's Eyes published. She's a remarkable kid.
BeverlyHale2002: Any other questions before they kick me out of here?
PCarlson: we never ever kick anyone out
Fjm3eyes: bye Mallie
Robert D Brown: What's next for you, Bev?
Rose1533: Most kids with crossed eyes never develop their depth perception. She has hers!
Mallie1025: Night all--stay well
PCarlson: we do have folks on the east coast, where it gets kinda late
BeverlyHale2002: I'm getting a group of books done so that I can go to an agent with a game plan. I'm older so I need to show I have more than one book or type of book in me.
Rose1533: Guess it's time for me to go to bed. Thanks for 'speaking' to us, Bev!
BeverlyHale2002: So I'm hunkered down and writing as fast as I can. Hope to have first drafts all done by first of year.
Rose1533: Night, all
BeverlyHale2002: bye Rose.
Robert D Brown: That begs the question: what difference does it make the age a writer come into their own?
BeverlyHale2002: It matters to an agent who wants you to write forever and make money for them. But CJ Cherryh told me as long as I have 2 brain cells, one finger and one eye, I can keep writing.
BeverlyHale2002: hopefully the brain cells will knock against each other occasionally, grin.
BeverlyHale2002: Robert what are you working on?
Robert D Brown: Dear, dear CJ.
BeverlyHale2002: Yep, she's a love.
Robert D Brown: Bev, I haven't written one word of fiction since my D.
PCarlson: Scooter, what brings you here?
BeverlyHale2002: Honey, you need to write again.
Robert D Brown: I know. Sucks to be me.
BeverlyHale2002: Sushi, what are you working on?
BeverlyHale2002: Yeah, but you are a good guy. Try my trick for overcoming writer's block- make a file called crap
ScooterOKC1: I enjoy listening to writers talk about their work. That and the fact that Bev is a friend of mine
PCarlson: Makes sense.
Robert D Brown: write crap for a while?
BeverlyHale2002: then it doesn't matter what you write in there because it is "crap" so who cares. When it stops being crap, move it to its own file. I do this all the time
Robert D Brown: LOL silly
PCarlson: Anyone interested in our writers group here, please let me know!
BeverlyHale2002: CJ's first rule - write sh*t, edit brilliantly.
BeverlyHale2002: I promise.
BeverlyHale2002: Paul, what are you working on?
Robert D Brown: if I had a nickel for every time Selina has said it
PCarlson: me?
ScooterOKC1: Um . . . my housework
BeverlyHale2002: Guess where it came from?
BeverlyHale2002: and what else, Paul?
PCarlson: Been reworking 5 short SF stories, to resubmit
BeverlyHale2002: cool. I'm doing that too.
PCarlson: been getting some Alasograms but no sales
ScooterOKC1: Isn't housework enough?
PCarlson: also thinking of something for Ahmed Khan's upcoming project; an anthology, "Muslims in SF"
BeverlyHale2002: me too, I hate getting the "this is the best story I've ever turned down" sigh
BeverlyHale2002: Ahmed Khan?
BeverlyHale2002: ooooh sounds fun. where is it listed?
PCarlson: yep
BeverlyHale2002: and Scooter, nope housework isn't enough. Go write.
PCarlson: he edited Rise and Fall, which I'm in
BeverlyHale2002: That is terrific. I'll look for it.
ScooterOKC1: Yes, ma'am
PCarlson: for Whortleberry Press, up in Canada
BeverlyHale2002: Cool.
PCarlson: his next, SF Waxes Philosophical, will be out soon
BeverlyHale2002: On the SFWA thing- every time I qualify they change the rules, so my stuff no longer counts. I'm beginning to take it personally
PCarlson: it's a conspiracy I tell you
PCarlson: no $$$, sorry to say but I am alongside some SF greats
BeverlyHale2002: good for advertising. do you use Ralan as a market guide? I've had some really good luck finding things there.
PCarlson: I have Ralan bookmarked and linked to our W2P web site
PCarlson: look there sometimes, plus get tips from writer buddies
BeverlyHale2002: where do you find your markets?
PCarlson: also look in the SFWA Bulletin
BeverlyHale2002: I just try out things that interest me and then find a market for them. Sometimes writer friends clue me in, but more often it's the other way around.
PCarlson: not a member but subscribe to that
BeverlyHale2002: Good idea.
PCarlson: Cynthia Ward's column is good
BeverlyHale2002: I'll have to check that out.
PCarlson: only met her once, and now we're both in Sentinel SF issue #5
BeverlyHale2002: very cool.
PCarlson: hope Lou gets it up and running -- lost his web host
BeverlyHale2002: I've met some wonderful writers in SF/F/H field.
PCarlson: yes indeed
BeverlyHale2002: Lou?
Robert D Brown: ditto
PCarlson: Lou Antonelli. not a Yard Doggie but a friend of several
BeverlyHale2002: Love Lou Antonelli- nice guy.
BeverlyHale2002: Try the yard. We're a fun group and we like to play. Selina is a great editor- she can go right to the heart of why a story isn't working or tweak a story so it shines.
Robert D Brown: The Yard is good.
BeverlyHale2002: Also one of the most honest editors/publishers I've ever worked with it. And the yard dogs all help each other.
BeverlyHale2002: It's like having a big albeit strange family to support you.
PCarlson: honest, candid, opinionated, high volume . . .
BeverlyHale2002: yep.
Robert D Brown: full of substance
BeverlyHale2002: we laugh a lot. we tease each other, we help each other
PCarlson: did not think it was possible to outshout an entire Dealer Room single-handed -- until I met Selina
BeverlyHale2002: and we all work to get better. Yes, Selina is a force of nature.
BeverlyHale2002: And also the person you want by your side in any fight, or if things are going to hell
PCarlson: indeed
BeverlyHale2002: You should see the group of us when we get together - we are dangerous to oppose.
PCarlson: LOL
Robert D Brown: nj
ScooterOKC1: Not to mention scary
PCarlson: I have not had the honor. geography and job and all that . . .
BeverlyHale2002: Come visit a con back here in OK or TX (Fencon or Condfw) and you'll get piles of us together.
Robert D Brown: Probably Midsouthcon, too
BeverlyHale2002: we're amusing and cheap entertainment
BeverlyHale2002: Yep, I'm trying to get on at Midsouth, but they haven't gotten back with me. Robert who do I need to cry to? I had a great time at the last one I went to and want to go back
Robert D Brown: geez, I had an invite almost immediately. Let me look up the name I have and I'll email you off list
BeverlyHale2002: Paul, you're allowed to tell me to go home---I can talk forever. Ask Robert or Scooter.
BeverlyHale2002: Hope something I said was of help.
ScooterOKC1: I'm staying out of this
BeverlyHale2002: smart man, scooter
Robert D Brown: Sleeps with Chainsaws
BeverlyHale2002: not anymore- got my cpap and now I'm a little white noise machine. honest.
Robert D Brown: yup. that was another life
BeverlyHale2002: too true.
Robert D Brown: sounds like a story
BeverlyHale2002: Robert email me off list- you need to start writing again or I'm gonna come stand on your feet!
PCarlson: cpap today, Borg implants tomorrow. got to watch those shifty doctors . . .
Robert D Brown: Would you, please? I haven't seen you in ages.
BeverlyHale2002: I think some Borg stuff would be good. the cpap makes me look like I'm snorkeling, only dry
Robert D Brown: an advanced model of Darth Vader
ScooterOKC1: I am Biwi of Borg
BeverlyHale2002: Scooter, you weren't supposed to tell them about that one.
PCarlson: I am Hugh the ex-Borg
BeverlyHale2002: dang
PCarlson: wrong gender to be Seven of Nine
BrownDvs: Don't forget Eight of Nine and Nine of Nine.
BeverlyHale2002: I can't do seven of nine- don't fit in spandex- I'd look like 20 of nine.
PCarlson: lol
Fjm3eyes: well.........goodbye everyone
BeverlyHale2002: check out my blog on the great OG&R debacle.
BeverlyHale2002: bye Fjm
BeverlyHale2002: excuse me ONG - the gas company told me we used 2000.00 worth of gas in one day.
BeverlyHale2002: I won. but it took about 2 months to do it.
PCarlson: not even Ned could generate $2K 's worth at once!
BeverlyHale2002: Can I come play again? I like these folks
PCarlson: you are welcome Bev
PCarlson: we have members in many states. used to have one in Australia. briefly, Canada
BeverlyHale2002: It's about 10:30 here and I've been up since 3:30 am. so I may actually have to fall over soon.
PCarlson: one lady drops by who's in England. figure the time zones on THAT one!!!
BeverlyHale2002: Wow. impressive. I may have to visit often.
PCarlson: you better go snooze
PCarlson: thanks Bev
PCarlson: say hi to CJ for me
ScooterOKC1: I need to head out, too. Thanks for the chat.
PCarlson: g'nite all
BeverlyHale2002: g'nite.
10/29/07 8:30:44 PM Closing "Chat Log 10-29-07"

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